Where do you see the pro and anti maga conversation? I'm an objectivist but I haven't seen this debate. I've seen people criticize policy and the president but you make it sound like there's an intense schism. I don't see that on Reddit, YouTube, or substack. Is there another medium I'm missing?
Hmmm... Well, as far as platforms go, I've seen it mostly on Facebook. But it should be noted that it starts with Leonard Peikoff, who endorsed Trump and apparently still maintains that while Trump has done "a few things wrong," he's still a net benefit. The two main Objectivist organizations, The Atlas Society and the Ayn Rand Institute, are opposed with regard to support for Trump and his various affiliates, and that's reflected in a variety of oppositional statements whether or not they're directly addressed to each other.
But certainly, Facebook is full of back and forth pro- and anti-Trump. Everything I've written about, I've seen in practice. So I can't really say much more than that at the moment.
It's kind of weird to think that talking to me would change someone's algorithm. But damned if it's not possible. Which account was that, if you don't mind letting me know?
Huh, thanks... I just briefly checked out his stuff, and he seems to be on the pro-Trump side of that particular schism. Certainly, he's against the anti-Trump side. Weirdly, in one piece he references Peikoff's DIM hypothesis, implying that he would align with him. Of course, pro-Trump Peikoff is mostly aligned with the anti-Trump ARI (and the anti-Trump TOS), which shows just how f'ed up the Objectivist movement actually is.
Incidentally, Quin's use of the DIM hypothesis (which I reject as a serious hypothesis) would actually apply to his pro-Trump side even more than it would the anti-Trump side. But I don't have even close to the energy to elaborate on that right now.
Lol yeah. I thought much the same. Honestly, I'm happy to see this discourse, though. Since objectivism is about the individual, it would be pathetic if no one had objecting opinions. I'd hate to see ARI or TOS become a hive mind.
Where do you see the pro and anti maga conversation? I'm an objectivist but I haven't seen this debate. I've seen people criticize policy and the president but you make it sound like there's an intense schism. I don't see that on Reddit, YouTube, or substack. Is there another medium I'm missing?
Hmmm... Well, as far as platforms go, I've seen it mostly on Facebook. But it should be noted that it starts with Leonard Peikoff, who endorsed Trump and apparently still maintains that while Trump has done "a few things wrong," he's still a net benefit. The two main Objectivist organizations, The Atlas Society and the Ayn Rand Institute, are opposed with regard to support for Trump and his various affiliates, and that's reflected in a variety of oppositional statements whether or not they're directly addressed to each other.
But certainly, Facebook is full of back and forth pro- and anti-Trump. Everything I've written about, I've seen in practice. So I can't really say much more than that at the moment.
After this interaction, I came across a new account that was criticizing TOS lol maybe talking to you changed my algorithm 😂
It's kind of weird to think that talking to me would change someone's algorithm. But damned if it's not possible. Which account was that, if you don't mind letting me know?
Marshall Quin
Huh, thanks... I just briefly checked out his stuff, and he seems to be on the pro-Trump side of that particular schism. Certainly, he's against the anti-Trump side. Weirdly, in one piece he references Peikoff's DIM hypothesis, implying that he would align with him. Of course, pro-Trump Peikoff is mostly aligned with the anti-Trump ARI (and the anti-Trump TOS), which shows just how f'ed up the Objectivist movement actually is.
Incidentally, Quin's use of the DIM hypothesis (which I reject as a serious hypothesis) would actually apply to his pro-Trump side even more than it would the anti-Trump side. But I don't have even close to the energy to elaborate on that right now.
Lol yeah. I thought much the same. Honestly, I'm happy to see this discourse, though. Since objectivism is about the individual, it would be pathetic if no one had objecting opinions. I'd hate to see ARI or TOS become a hive mind.
Thanks for that, reading it now. Please let me know your thoughts on this piece:
https://brainsmatter.substack.com/p/what-would-ayn-rands-ideal-society?r=1tjpzi